The arguments that are in favor of social democracies are those around the effectiveness of social welfare programs and how effective compassion is as a political root, but that doesn’t make them fractionally socialist and they aren’t held up as socialist countries. I feel like a lot of this follows from a view of “socialism is when the government does stuff”, which I doubt was the definition Calfpupa was using.

What voting trends have you seen that suggest a move towards democratization of the economy over privatization that would be in line with complete democratic control? Further what trends have you seen in freeing neo-colonies from debt trappings and foreign ownership?

Why do you think this meme is applicable here? Calfpupa never said socialism never works, she said you can’t vote your way to it. If your point is that you’re happy with the neo-colonialism of northern Europe, yeah we know the liberal position.

Power outage at the grocery store. Big day for me.