Who is? The Democratic Party? Did they make it a law that companies have to include pronouns in all their emails? Or is it a bunch a random people in random organizations independently choosing to be accommodate to shifting norms?
“Fatigued” is so laughable.
Dearest Teresa, I fear whether our correspondence may continue, as my hands grow weary and more weary with each passing day. On the eve, the Union army (my coworker) hounded and harried us (politely asked me to add pronouns to my emails) until my feet grew blisters and I felt I could press on no longer, but still I knew, I could not grant myself a moment’s reprieve, lest I be caught, and killed in cold blood (get an email from HR).
I mean, mostly. The amount of right-wing fearmongering before Obama was elected was intense, and after he won, a large portion of the Republican party lost their goddamn minds, convinced it was the end of white people. This led to the Tea Party movement, which fed directly into MAGA.
On a more personal level, Obama mercilessly roasted Trump at the 2011 White House Correspondents’ Dinner, and the notorious slumlord was so monumentally, volcanically pissed-off at being humiliated by a powerful Black man that he became determined to prove he was his better, leading to his presidential ambitions, and courting of the existing Tea Party movement who became his initial base of support. (MAGA is basically TP 2.0.)
The culture-war stuff was red meat for keeping the psychos’ attention, lest they wander off into dumber, less controllable conspiracy theories. But it could have been anything. (Sharia law, Socialism, FEMA camps, White Genocide, Great Replacement, Blood Libel, whatever the Murdochs could get their talking heads to complain about, basically.)
Man I want to start off saying this is a good post for the most part, but if you were around for Katrina you would not include concern about fema camps in a list of conspiracy theories. They intentionally dropped levies to drive people from their homes, corralled them in a stadium until they could be shipped off, and started shooting at anyone who escaped that process on sight as a looter. “Follow the money” is always good advice, relief funds were delayed until desperate former residents had to sell the wreckage of their lives to developers for pennies on the dollar and the ghouls who orchestrated the whole scenario made fortunes building luxury homes on stolen land with government money when they finally did come through. People were camping on their own roofs and getting shot at by the national guard. Sorry if I got kinda intense, worst period of a lot of people’s lives.
Sorry man, I’m posting from a phone here. Some is “trust me bro” and local hearsay, some you can look up pretty easy. Levy in front of the 9th ward is the one people say was dropped most, news media has plenty of footage of roof campers, “Danziger Bridge shooting” will get you something hard to watch, Zillow or Google Maps New Orleans before and after would show you the shift in demographics and property values, government response including forced evacuation, stadium “housing”, and curfews should be pretty much public record and Red Cross did some whistleblowing at the time. Trying to explain this is making me feel old, felt pretty obvious while it was happening
dont take the responsibility away from maga please. trump is president BECAUSE he knows they want someone who hates the same people they do. trump is a symptom, not the cause.
waits for noone to point out freedumb of speech that includes praising slavers and nazis in scholastic environments and actively punishes teaching the ugly side of history
Never been to a US history class outside of college in the US? There’s a big reason so many Americans still think it’s the greatest country on the planet.
Not even close. Reactionary movements grow when standards of living drop while costs simultaneously rise, especially if the shift is significant. Much of this is usually attributed to weakening energy inputs (or at least a rise in their cost), as energy is foundational to post-industrial societies. Organized movements will latch onto cultural issues like “pronouns” in an attempt to divert blame for the deterioration in living towards an easy exploitable marginal group so that elites avoid things like guillotines. “Pronouns being in emails” is merely incidental and is not even close to how a movement like MAGA started or rose.
There was a lot of legitimate issues with the “woke” movement. Republicans used this as motivation to turn out the vote. Democrats have since chilled out quite a bit. Most didn’t do a 180, but just quit focusing on it.
This win was more a reflection of that than it was legitimizing the “old ways”.
I don’t recall the Democrats ever being so woke that it was a legitimate issue. Random individual people with zero power might have said or looked “cringe,” though, and that was somehow upheld as representative of everything. Virtually all of the backlash to “woke 1” was just memes and Youtube videos usually featuring the same three random nobodies…
…putting words in their mouth, taking them out of context, and holding them as representative of all liberals/leftists.
What was one actual policy position advanced or enacted by the Democratic party that was problematic because it was too woke?
I listen to some podcasts that talk a lot about polling data, and analyze not only how people vote, but why. It’s not political, and just about analysis.
It’s my understanding that there was a backlash to democrats going all in on woke issues. This drove republicans to the polls when they might have been more likely to stay home.
It’s fine to be woke, but let’s just stfu about it. Last thing we need is to encourage republican backlash.
This same thing applied to guns. Democrats talked too much about gun control, which drove Republicans to the polls at massive levels. Now they don’t talk about it, and that’s one less motivation for Republicans.
Edit: I’m not saying republican objections were fair or even honest. Just that it was effective.
That’s completely shifting the goalposts. Whether Republicans viewed the Democrats as being woke is an entirely different question from whether the Democrats actually were woke. Republicans believed Democrats for reasons I already explained, in my first reply and elsewhere in this thread.
The reality is that the Republican perception of the Democrats had more to do with their own minds and their own circles and their own conditions, rather than what Democrats actually said or did. Many of these people are just diehard reactionaries and unreachable anyway.
Also, Democrats won midterm races regardless of what their stance on trans rights was. El-Sayed for example did not (to my knowledge) adopt any anti-trans positions, and politicians like Talarico and Hamilton (Kansas) conceded on sports but overall had positive messaging.
This is exactly why it’s important to ground your narratives in hard facts rather than vague memories, because if you compare politicians’ rhetoric then to now, how much has it actually shifted? It’s more that Republicans overplayed their hand on the issue, while also fucking up in other, bigger ways, like in Iran. So the rhetoric that’s remembered as being “too extreme” and the rhetoric that’s seen as “reasonable” could be the exact same words, and what’s actually changed is people’s perception of that rhetoric. Which is meaningless for the conclusions and narratives you’re drawing.
So much of the rhetoric about “woke 1” is just “you remember how crazy it was, right?” without ever actually discussing what specifically was so crazy about it. And the reason that there’s nothing specific anyone can point to is that it was massively overblown. The left was never anywhere close to the levers of power, it was always centrists who at best sometimes pandered to an organic movement while doing little in terms of actual policy. It’s the same shit with like, “remember when the Democrats defunded the police” when in fact police budgets were raised almost everywhere, it was just a perception that that happened.
You are correct and these people are fools. That said Democrats have dumped the transgender issues and I don’t expect a return of that in the near future.
I don’t mind the pronouns, but this shit is what created MAGA.
No, MAGA would have latched on to anything. This is just one of their scapegoats, MAGA always existed.
They didn’t latch onto anything, though. They latched into the things that got their base to turn out strong for bullshit candidates.
Yeah literally giving fatigued people annoying prods with every email or online interaction at work or home to vote against this new source of fatigue
Who is? The Democratic Party? Did they make it a law that companies have to include pronouns in all their emails? Or is it a bunch a random people in random organizations independently choosing to be accommodate to shifting norms?
“Fatigued” is so laughable.
Y’all desperately need a reality check.
MAGA was created by declining material conditions, combined with billionaire funding, and suppression of other outlets for that frustration.
I mean, mostly. The amount of right-wing fearmongering before Obama was elected was intense, and after he won, a large portion of the Republican party lost their goddamn minds, convinced it was the end of white people. This led to the Tea Party movement, which fed directly into MAGA.
On a more personal level, Obama mercilessly roasted Trump at the 2011 White House Correspondents’ Dinner, and the notorious slumlord was so monumentally, volcanically pissed-off at being humiliated by a powerful Black man that he became determined to prove he was his better, leading to his presidential ambitions, and courting of the existing Tea Party movement who became his initial base of support. (MAGA is basically TP 2.0.)
The culture-war stuff was red meat for keeping the psychos’ attention, lest they wander off into dumber, less controllable conspiracy theories. But it could have been anything. (Sharia law, Socialism, FEMA camps, White Genocide, Great Replacement, Blood Libel, whatever the Murdochs could get their talking heads to complain about, basically.)
Man I want to start off saying this is a good post for the most part, but if you were around for Katrina you would not include concern about fema camps in a list of conspiracy theories. They intentionally dropped levies to drive people from their homes, corralled them in a stadium until they could be shipped off, and started shooting at anyone who escaped that process on sight as a looter. “Follow the money” is always good advice, relief funds were delayed until desperate former residents had to sell the wreckage of their lives to developers for pennies on the dollar and the ghouls who orchestrated the whole scenario made fortunes building luxury homes on stolen land with government money when they finally did come through. People were camping on their own roofs and getting shot at by the national guard. Sorry if I got kinda intense, worst period of a lot of people’s lives.
Source for any of this?
Sorry man, I’m posting from a phone here. Some is “trust me bro” and local hearsay, some you can look up pretty easy. Levy in front of the 9th ward is the one people say was dropped most, news media has plenty of footage of roof campers, “Danziger Bridge shooting” will get you something hard to watch, Zillow or Google Maps New Orleans before and after would show you the shift in demographics and property values, government response including forced evacuation, stadium “housing”, and curfews should be pretty much public record and Red Cross did some whistleblowing at the time. Trying to explain this is making me feel old, felt pretty obvious while it was happening
dont take the responsibility away from maga please. trump is president BECAUSE he knows they want someone who hates the same people they do. trump is a symptom, not the cause.
A symptom of…
waits for noone to point out freedumb of speech that includes praising slavers and nazis in scholastic environments and actively punishes teaching the ugly side of history
…what?
Never been to a US history class outside of college in the US? There’s a big reason so many Americans still think it’s the greatest country on the planet.
Not even close. Reactionary movements grow when standards of living drop while costs simultaneously rise, especially if the shift is significant. Much of this is usually attributed to weakening energy inputs (or at least a rise in their cost), as energy is foundational to post-industrial societies. Organized movements will latch onto cultural issues like “pronouns” in an attempt to divert blame for the deterioration in living towards an easy exploitable marginal group so that elites avoid things like guillotines. “Pronouns being in emails” is merely incidental and is not even close to how a movement like MAGA started or rose.
Not gonna lie, I saw this meme and thought, “You’re learning the wrong lesson!”
Let’s not fuck this up lefties.
How?
There was a lot of legitimate issues with the “woke” movement. Republicans used this as motivation to turn out the vote. Democrats have since chilled out quite a bit. Most didn’t do a 180, but just quit focusing on it.
This win was more a reflection of that than it was legitimizing the “old ways”.
Besides, pronouns never left the emails.
I don’t recall the Democrats ever being so woke that it was a legitimate issue. Random individual people with zero power might have said or looked “cringe,” though, and that was somehow upheld as representative of everything. Virtually all of the backlash to “woke 1” was just memes and Youtube videos usually featuring the same three random nobodies…
…putting words in their mouth, taking them out of context, and holding them as representative of all liberals/leftists.
What was one actual policy position advanced or enacted by the Democratic party that was problematic because it was too woke?
I listen to some podcasts that talk a lot about polling data, and analyze not only how people vote, but why. It’s not political, and just about analysis.
It’s my understanding that there was a backlash to democrats going all in on woke issues. This drove republicans to the polls when they might have been more likely to stay home.
It’s fine to be woke, but let’s just stfu about it. Last thing we need is to encourage republican backlash.
This same thing applied to guns. Democrats talked too much about gun control, which drove Republicans to the polls at massive levels. Now they don’t talk about it, and that’s one less motivation for Republicans.
Edit: I’m not saying republican objections were fair or even honest. Just that it was effective.
I asked for a specific policy, not vague allusions to “going all in on woke issues.”
If you’re focusing on rhetoric rather than policy, then fine, provide me some actual, specific examples of that rhetoric.
Relying on vague perceptions and imperfect memories is just bullshit. How I remember it is very different from what you’re saying.
We’re just 2 people sharing our imperfect memories on the internet.
Do you disagree that “woke” issues were a motivating factor for many Republicans in the past 5-10 years or so?
That’s completely shifting the goalposts. Whether Republicans viewed the Democrats as being woke is an entirely different question from whether the Democrats actually were woke. Republicans believed Democrats for reasons I already explained, in my first reply and elsewhere in this thread.
The reality is that the Republican perception of the Democrats had more to do with their own minds and their own circles and their own conditions, rather than what Democrats actually said or did. Many of these people are just diehard reactionaries and unreachable anyway.
Also, Democrats won midterm races regardless of what their stance on trans rights was. El-Sayed for example did not (to my knowledge) adopt any anti-trans positions, and politicians like Talarico and Hamilton (Kansas) conceded on sports but overall had positive messaging.
This is exactly why it’s important to ground your narratives in hard facts rather than vague memories, because if you compare politicians’ rhetoric then to now, how much has it actually shifted? It’s more that Republicans overplayed their hand on the issue, while also fucking up in other, bigger ways, like in Iran. So the rhetoric that’s remembered as being “too extreme” and the rhetoric that’s seen as “reasonable” could be the exact same words, and what’s actually changed is people’s perception of that rhetoric. Which is meaningless for the conclusions and narratives you’re drawing.
So much of the rhetoric about “woke 1” is just “you remember how crazy it was, right?” without ever actually discussing what specifically was so crazy about it. And the reason that there’s nothing specific anyone can point to is that it was massively overblown. The left was never anywhere close to the levers of power, it was always centrists who at best sometimes pandered to an organic movement while doing little in terms of actual policy. It’s the same shit with like, “remember when the Democrats defunded the police” when in fact police budgets were raised almost everywhere, it was just a perception that that happened.
You are correct and these people are fools. That said Democrats have dumped the transgender issues and I don’t expect a return of that in the near future.
1: It’s an obvious joke 2: You’re fucking dumb.