• tal@lemmy.today
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    2 days ago

    I don’t think that that’s the right term. A homophone has to sound the same, not just similar.

    I don’t know if there is a single word that describes two words that sound similar but not identical.

    searches

    Apparently, yes.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paronym

    Paronyms are near-homophones (“soundalike”), near-homographs (“lookalike”) and/or near-cognates (“meanalike”) — words that are similar but not identical in pronunciation, spelling, or lexical meaning — which may cause confusion in their understanding (reception) and usage (production).[1]

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        Yeah. I just said them out loud and unless I really annunciate they sound nearly indistinguishable.

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      As others have pointed out, these words are homophonous in most North American English dialects, but for more context, this is due to a phenomenon called flapping.

      Basically, even though /d/ and /t/ are phonemic (that is, contrastive; speakers can use them to distinguish words and hear them as different sounds) in English, in certain positions in the middle of a word (specifically when placed between a stressed vowel and an unstressed vowel), both the /d/ and the /t/ become a different sound, flap/tap. See, e.g. butter, bottle, writing, riding, wedding, loader, etc.

      And, since they both become flap in this position, the contrast between them is neutralized, meaning that they are pronounced identically and speakers can no longer tell them apart, creating many sets of homophones in the process like “latter” and “ladder”.

      There are further interesting complexities in flapping across English dialects, in particular the interaction of flapping with Canadian Raising, so if anyone has any questions or wants me to go into more detail, let me know!

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        And in some accents you may get a full glottal stop where the /d/ and /t/ go. Those letters can get real crazy pronunciations depending on accent.

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        That seems crazy to me

        Latter vs ladder and butter/bottle/wetting vs wedding have a big difference to my ear

        Does that mean you can guess where my accent comes from?

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        2 days ago

        I mean, as a speaker of a dialect where the comic’s joke worked, but also as a nerd who loves letting people nerd out, I’d love to hear more.

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      2 days ago

      in American English they sound identical.

      ladder

      laddter

      speaking them fluidly, one can’t tell the difference.