He didn’t make a joke he just referred to Mao as some Chinese dictator when talking about the meme.
No, no, you don’t understand. China is most free, best country. Please consult happy chart.
See? Bar is higher.
Just like elections and sociology in Russia! They are such a good couple!
Thank you for your hard work, Godric. I managed to block so many tankies again!
ahh the ml downvotes
I know, right? Lmao. I hope the people reading, are using their critical thinking skills.
Could two of the three countries essentially holding the most world power, have a reason to affect the third one, that they have historically considered an enemy? And on the platfom, consisting of people from the implied country, that are mostly disappointed with their shitty system, and maybe possible to convince to not use their vote against the openly facist party, trying to push a dictatorship with a leader, that is beneficial to those two other countries? Hmmmm I wonder.
I dont get how they get so sassy about something so trivial. There is even one calling this “racist”… i may laugh here about them, but tankies are scary
It is the propaganda machine (or, machines, both chinese and russian ones, though this one called out the chinese). Right now, they are very active, trying to get the citizens of the USA, to not vote in their election.
You can spot them even in this chain, not only throwing those short accusations, but writing those longer and longer responses, trying to bait people to answer, to tire them out, to get to spread their propaganda, and to get more visibility. They will also downvote discussions like these, so it is also easy to tell, when they are around. And everything negative said against Chinese government, is a psy-op by CIA, or people being racist, colonialists, nazis, supporting genocide in Gaza etc… for some reason especially the chinese ones seem to like the Gaza-blaming. I guess it is a sore point for many people, to be accused of supporting that genocide, which then gets the discussion derailed from what China does, as they get enraged.
It is the propaganda machine (or, machines, both chinese and russian ones
And everything negative said against Chinese government, is a psy-op by CIA
The absolute irony lmao.
Claiming that anyone voicing positive ideas about a country is a paid actor? Obvious facts. Claiming that anyone voicing negative ideas about a country is a paid actor? Deranged conspiracy theory. So deranged and so conspiratorial that it in fact proves that my
deranged conspiracy theoryobvious facts about them must be true.Not everything, but enough that you have to question everything. Which is what makes the process so exhaustive and thus the end goal of those that use those tactics.
Thankfully each hitlerikan election cycle there’s spam of thought terminating cliches and delusions about voting and other kkkrakkker aliemnts (like this finn above). Frankly it’s easier to examine whether what china says is true than to escape from amerikkkan derangement :v
Um, yes. I do want you to question everything. I believe that’s known as “critical thinking.” It certainly does involve exercising a bit more brain power than just assuming that your preexisting beliefs are true.
Yes, that is why I said you have to question everything.
How are they so thin-skinned? You’d think tankies would have thick, armoured skin, like a… Well, like a … rhinoceros 🦏
How are they so thin-skinned?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Century_of_humiliation#Under_Xi_Jinping
Once they obtained enough clout, there is now this widespread belief among Mainlanders they have emerged from what they saw as a century of humiliation, now they see themselves above reproach, even exceptionalistic, and so will object to any sort of what they perceive as debasement.
“How do you feel about democracy in China?”
“GREAT!” nervously checks around
“I have to say, I really do approve of all of glorious leader’s ideas!”
Mbappe is just one of the latest personalities who have to literally apologize to Mainland China, as the chunk of their income is much derived from whatever products and services they’re selling (or pandering) to the Mainlanders.
At this stage and no thanks to the United States whose capitalists offloaded manufacturing and even technological capability to the Middle Kingdom because cheaper labor and less oversight – and now Trump’s lunatic self-destructing regime changing much of the developing world beginning with killing USAID – China is so much of a greater hegemonic capitalist power now that it has developed its own brand of “cancel culture” where some millions of Mainland Chinese who are well-to-do consumers but also nationalistic, can afford to vote with their wallets and thus humiliate anyone who dares to insult their country.
This is the Mainland China of Xi Jinping that can say no.
The encapsulation of Mao:
“If the worst came to the worst and half of mankind died [in nuclear war], the other half would remain while imperialism would be razed to the ground and the whole world would become socialist.”
Zapp Brannigan revolutionary with no plans beyond bravado. There was/is no universe where a nuclear holocaust ends in sunshine and roses instead of the (functionally) permanent crippling of the human race. That lack of critical thought is still infecting leftist conversation today: vastly underestimating the cost and implications of actions and relying on blind appeals to moral determinism.
Challenge accepted.
Mao was a rapist as bad as Trump.
Yep, kids too. And on top of that, he was just fucking gross
Oh, almost forgot… Taiwan is not China, Hong Kong deserves independence, and FREE FUCKING TIBET ALREADY.
So you link to a website made by a guy who makes films to support Trump, MAHA, anti-vax (including the false link to autism), and about a million other MAGA propaganda “documentaries” with a bunch of notable names in the medical, financial, and social right wing grifter sphere.
Jesus fucking christ.
I seriously cannot find any sources on the rape stuff aside from yours.
Whaaaaat? Youre telling me ‘factsanddetails.com’ might be biased?! But it says facts and details? Not bias and opinions?! You think people would just do that, go on the internet to lie? :O
Looking through the about this website rn and it’s kinda hilarious. Like the fact that liberals have to stoop to like conservapedia level websites is so funny.
Challenge accepted.
Goes on English posting site
Shakes fist at Foreign county
Posts low-key racist memes
Nobody in China knows or cares
We did it
RedditLemmy!Please explain the racism part.
No really, if it’s racist, I don’t want to further racism, and would like to know how it’s racist.
It’s not. The commentator above is just using Israeli style conflation to attempt to dismiss any critique of the Chinese government as racist against Chinese.
Side note: For the record, I’m not racist. I hate everyone equally.
That would be like saying depicting Netanyahu as a hook-nosed goblin is merely criticizing Israel. The reason it’s seen as racist to depict Xi as a yellow bear should not be difficult to put together.
What you’re looking for in that comparison is Asian people in a traditional farming had, literal slants for eyes, two large front teeth in the drawing. This clearly is not that.
Trying to compare something that clearly isn’t that to the Jewish equivalent is an exact representation of what the other user above you was getting at.
You weren’t even involved and you jumped out of the bushes to tell on yourself.
Now I’m going to put my seat belt on, because I expect a full ban from all .world instances because of this. I’ve experienced it directly from you already for far less than pointing this shit out. It makes sense that you’d jump at a chance to defend dictators when you pull shit like that as a mod.
This one?
What’s racist about making fun of a land grabbing dictator?
I dunno, tell me why comparing a Chinese man to a yellow cartoon bear is funny to you.
Because the dictator doesn’t like it. Duh…
what’s racist about depicting jews as goblins?
that’s not how you worded it but how it sounds like.
depict zionists as goblins, thats okay
If you don’t see how comparing the leader of an Asian country to a yellow cartoon bear is racist, then you yourself are probably irredeemably racist.
But on the off chance you’re not: this is like when Trump posted the video of the Obama’s as apes. Does that help put it in perspective?
The Chinese themselves came up with the comparison to Winnie the Pooh, so no, it’s not at all the same thing.
Wow you really will believe anything, won’t you?
FREE FUCKING TIBET ALREADY
Mao already did, ShitLib. The Lamas will not be getting their slaves back no matter how many white people they con into crying about it.
Wait I thought everyone on Lemmy were communists. Thank god
I think you have a misunderstanding of of what communism is.
Regarding your source for the claim of Mao as a sex abuser, The Private Life of Chairman Mao by Li Zhisui, here’s what Wikipedia has to say:
Several people have questioned the authenticity of the book. Li’s memoirs were not based on original records or personal diaries. During the Cultural Revolution, he burnt all of his original diaries and, as such, the book was based on restructured memories which might be wrong or fallible as Li’s collaborator, Anne Thurston, admitted.[14] Historian Frederick Teiwes accused Li of being “anti-Mao”.[15] According to Tai Hung-chao, who was the translator of the book, Random House, the company which published the book, wanted to add more “juicy bits” to the book such as Mao’s sex life in order to attract a larger readership.[15] Li disagreed with this line of approach, but eventually gave in to it.[15] A statement protesting that many of the claims made in Li’s book were false was issued soon after its publication, signed by 150 people who had personally known or worked with Mao, including Wang Dongxing, Li Yinqiao and Ye Zilong.
The about this site section of factsanddetails.com is also especially concerning:
I am not professor or an expert on the subjects I write about but I have done a fair amount of reading about them. I try to use good sources (see below) and have been doing what I am doing—collecting and organizing information and facts— for some time and feel I have developed some skill at it. The text is written in factoid style generally using language found in travel guides, magazines and newspapers rather than academic journals. I don’t have footnotes and bibliographies but I often list sources at the end of the facts or under the first fact under each subheading. When a source is not listed the information: 1) can be taken to be a generally accepted fact (often seen in at least two different places); 2) has been arrived at through observation (direct or second hand through other sources) or by common sense; or 3) was taken from a newspaper or magazine article that didn’t attribute it.
In other words, hearsay is totally fine and allowable information.
When I started this project in the 1990s I used mostly print sources such as the New York Times, Washington Post, Los Angeles Times, Daily Yomiuri (a Japanese newspaper), The Times, National Geographic, Smithsonian magazine, The New Yorker, Time, Newsweek, U.S. News and World Report, The Guardian, Atlantic Monthly, Archeology magazine, Natural History magazine, news services used by these periodicals such Reuters, Associated Press and AFP, information from national tourist offices, tourist brochures I have picked up from places I have visited, Lonely Planet Guides, other travel guides, Compton’s Encyclopedia and various books and other publications.
In other words, near-exclusively western media, with no alternative perspectives whatsoever.
When I started this project I was living in the Washington D.C. area and called every embassy and national tourist office and asked them to send all the information they had—and started with that. Later, I collected the newspapers, magazines and books that I listed above and every few months spent an entire day cutting them up and putting them in piles based on country or topic and put the piles into boxes with previous piles, ending up with about half a room full of article-filled boxes. The piles of articles used so far for China and Japan alone, when added all together, would probably exceed three or four meters in height. It is a crazy system I know but is ultimately easier, more comprehensive and reliable than relying totally on Google searches.
In other words, the site maintained lived in the heart of the US, and found sources directly from the US state department.
As for Taiwan, their own self-described title is the Republic of China, who do not claim independence from the mainland but instead sovereignty as the self-percieved legitimate government of the mainland as well as Taiwan. Saying “Taiwan is not China” is actually against Taiwanese identity. The question isn’t whether or not Taiwan is Chinese, but whether the government in Taiwan or Beijing is the legitimate government of China.
As for Hong Kong, as of 2019 (the latest polling) only 17% want independence from the mainland. Hong Kong was already freed from British colonialism, and has now been returned to China as the era of colonialism has ended.
There’s no actual polling data concerning Tibet that I can find. However, prior to the intervention of the PLA, Tibet was a feudal slave society with rampant sex abuse.
The Tibetan serfs were something more than superstitious victims, blind to their own oppression. As we have seen, some ran away; others openly resisted, sometimes suffering dire consequences. In feudal Tibet, torture and mutilation — including eye gouging, the pulling out of tongues, hamstringing, and amputation — were favored punishments inflicted upon thieves, and runaway or resistant serfs. [22]
Journeying through Tibet in the 1960s, Stuart and Roma Gelder interviewed a former serf, Tsereh Wang Tuei, who had stolen two sheep belonging to a monastery. For this he had both his eyes gouged out and his hand mutilated beyond use. He explains that he no longer is a Buddhist: “When a holy lama told them to blind me I thought there was no good in religion.” [23] Since it was against Buddhist teachings to take human life, some offenders were severely lashed and then “left to God” in the freezing night to die. “The parallels between Tibet and medieval Europe are striking,” concludes Tom Grunfeld in his book on Tibet. [24]
In 1959, Anna Louise Strong visited an exhibition of torture equipment that had been used by the Tibetan overlords. There were handcuffs of all sizes, including small ones for children, and instruments for cutting off noses and ears, gouging out eyes, breaking off hands, and hamstringing legs. There were hot brands, whips, and special implements for disemboweling. The exhibition presented photographs and testimonies of victims who had been blinded or crippled or suffered amputations for thievery. There was the shepherd whose master owed him a reimbursement in yuan and wheat but refused to pay. So he took one of the master’s cows; for this he had his hands severed. Another herdsman, who opposed having his wife taken from him by his lord, had his hands broken off. There were pictures of Communist activists with noses and upper lips cut off, and a woman who was raped and then had her nose sliced away. [25]
The tankies are coming in hot with wikipedia sources. It’s also fucking hilarious that you’re like "I can’t disprove tibet wants independence so I’ll just call them all savages and pedophiles while sourcing the sketchiest website in history. Bro get Maos micropenis out of your mouth and stop licking boots.
Edit: .ml should have known lmao you’re a cancer
you’re a cancer
Used to be you actually had to scratch the Liberals…
Fuck you and your fascist instinct to dehumanize anyone providing information that creates a cognitive dissonance against your billionaire funded narratives.
I don’t like Wikipedia as a source, but it’s generally accepted as the standard for liberal academia. If a source criticizing communism or communist figures is disputed even among Wikipedia, then it isn’t a good source, most likely.
As for the bit on Tibet, I’m fully capable of admitting when I do not know something, unlike the person I replied to. However, I said the exact opposite of calling Tibetans “savages and pedophiles.” I called the feudal slavers as such, just like I would be comfortable calling the plantation owners of the south pedophiles and torturers. Dr. Michael Parenti painted the Tibetan serfs not as pedophiles and savages, but as people with their own agency in actively opposing their own torture:
The Tibetan serfs were something more than superstitious victims, blind to their own oppression. As we have seen, some ran away; others openly resisted, sometimes suffering dire consequences. In feudal Tibet, torture and mutilation — including eye gouging, the pulling out of tongues, hamstringing, and amputation — were favored punishments inflicted upon thieves, and runaway or resistant serfs.
As for the site I linked, it’s not the source. You can read the source on Duke University’s website, I just linked the site I did because I prefer to link text over PDFs. Dr. Michael Parenti isn’t some random person, but was a university professor and academic.
I have no idea why you attacked me with homophobia at the end, certainly you’re capable of insulting me without resorting to bigotry. Same with immediately dehumanizing me as cancer.
The Tibetan serfs were something more than superstitious victims, blind to their own oppression. As we have seen, some ran away; others openly resisted, sometimes suffering dire consequences. In feudal Tibet, torture and mutilation — including eye gouging, the pulling out of tongues, hamstringing, and amputation
That sounds a lot like what Amnesty International is saying that China is doing to the Uighurs today:
https://www.amnesty.org.au/wp-content/uploads/2021/06/Amnesty-International_China-Report_FINAL.pdf
It doesn’t, actually. Have you read the report yourself? I recommend reading what Uyghur people actually have to say, as well as researching the validity/invalidity of the allegations. There’s absolutely no evidence of anything even close to approaching the kind of torture the Tibetan serfs and slaves dealt with.
it’s hard to trust the word of Chinese/Uyghur people when the Chinese government is famous for suppressing information and “disappearing” people they don’t like. So western sources will have to do
The taiwan thing is literally just a social pretense to allow mainland china to “save face”. There are extremists that actually want the taiwanese government to rule all of mainland china, but that’s just not the popular opinion.
Well it’s true that saying taiwan is not china is a bit funny though, but in context anyone with basic readinf comprehension should know what is meant.
I would LOVE to hear your thoughts on Ukraine and Palestine. Im certain they are sane.
I want a one state solution where Palestine is free. I want the war in Ukraine to end, with self-determination for the people in Donetsk and Luhansk and an end to the lives lost.
with self-determination for the people in Donetsk and Luhansk
They killed all the people who wanted to remain in Ukraine.
If it can be destroyed by the truth, it should be destroyed by the truth
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Tank you
Its not “some” of the broadcasters, it ALL the broadcasters. china is in full censorship mode on this guy.
How is that even insulting?
He called Mao a dictator. Apparently stating indisputable facts is unacceptable.
Mao has called himself a dictator which is the real irony here…
To play devil’s advocate, the meaning of “dictatorship” in “dictatorship of the proletariat” is different from the modern/conventional meaning of that word. Mao conceived of himself as leading a democracy, as ridiculous as that sounds.
If it’s a state dictatorship it’s always the same. Regardless of how you fantasize about it. It’s still disconnected unaccountable leadership at the top. And if you disagree, there are no democratic solutions for an enemy of the state.
The insulting part is where he says (paraphrased) “I don’t like this meme because Mao killed a whole bunch of people and I didn’t (I think).”
Imagine opposing fascism while supporting the one guy that was worse than hitler.
Hitler executed about 8 million people, about 6 million of whom were jews.
Stalin starved about 20 million people.
Mao oversaw the Great Famine, following his order to kill all the sparrows in China, which lead to the starvation of 60 - 80 million people, depending on who’s counting.
Why the hell do deaths under communism always seem to include every person who died from any cause not from old age, while the deaths of fascism only include people who were executed?
Because a communist dictator coming into power is often followed by severe mismanagement and famine and the deaths of millions. It’s not the same sort of evil as killing people deliberately, but they’re equally dead.
No, actually, just no, colonialist regimes and fascist regimes killed far more people consistently than even incompetent communist states. The deaths of millions every year under neocolonialist comprador governments in Africa and Asia and South America happens silently every year.
Communist dictatorship is better than a totally inhuman dictatorship of capital. I legit believe this.
I’m not even disputing that. I’m just saying Mao done fucked up. And if that triggers you, then you’ve got a problem.
I have a problem with thinking the KMT should have been supported or that both sides were equally bad. I would have supported the CPC for the same reason I support Iran and Hamas against the US and Israel. The timeline where the anti-imperialists win is always better in the long term than when they lose.
Endlessly criticizing real world socialisms outside of the context of when it’s helpful is selection bias.
So, all the famine, death and destruction caused by capitalist exploitation of third world countries like india and most of the africsn continent can also directly be tied back to capitalism right? Then its at least an intellectually consistent framework youre operating under.
And doing that, the most conservative death toll, from WHO, is around 9 million excess deaths, A YEAR.
multiply that by, again lets be conservative and lets say just the last 30 years. So from the middle of the nineties to now, thats 270 million excess deaths just from imposed famine like conditions. So not even counting other deaths following the exploitation of workers and ressources in third world countries
if we just do the math, it seems capitalism is many orders of magnitude more deadly than even psychos like Stalin.
So, all the famine, death and destruction caused by capitalist exploitation of third world countries like india and most of the africsn continent can also directly be tied back to capitalism right?
Sure, if that’s the comparison you’re making. But “capitalism” Vs Mao is not a comparison that makes sense.
You could maybe count Churchill’s famine in India or his jolly little wars in Africa if you want to be argumentative. Or just accept that Mao caused millions of deaths through pig-headed incompetence and move on.
Im just being logically consistent here m8.
you said “Because a communist dictator coming into power is often followed by severe mismanagement and famine and the deaths of millions. It’s not the same sort of evil as killing people deliberately, but they’re equally dead.”
Mao killed tens of millions. Capitalism kills hundreds of millions, and continues to do so.
If were gonna play the killscore game, might as well get the full scoreboard
Tsk. Mao is not the same sort of concept as capitalism. Has he killed more or fewer people than mosquitoes or bananas? What about too short green traffic lights? Moonless nights? All questions that make the same amount of sense. Mate.
Added: Feel free to count a famine caused by a capitalist leader against that person’s score. That’s being consistent.
In case anyone thought China was a serious country, this is a good reminder.
what metric for seriousness would you choose instead?
because providing healthcare, clean electric power and high speed rail would be pretty fucking nice if we could get some here.
meanwhile we have trump, using ice at the polls… seriously democratic shit there.
not a fan of china, but I do wish we had their solar and rail outputs…
there are only two political views. American and Chinese
haha, valid. I get so focused on trump I forget the world is still rolling along, leaving the US behind
Free press. In the US, the press is bought, in China it is controlled.
lol… have you seen the press here bending the knee over and over to trump? fuck the only outfit I’ve seen stand up to him is the bbc…
free press chortle
Free press. In the US, the press is bought,
also, it’s not free if it’s bought.
That is what I meant. The US and China stand on opposite ends on the spectrum of free press. In China, the press isn’t free and in the US, there are no protections keeping the press from being taken over by moneyed interests.
Why do they even like Mao so much? Dude was only good for helping them get the country. Literally nothing else.
Life expectancy doubled under Mao. Foot binding was ended. He was instrumental in the victory of China against Japanese imperialism. China rapidly industrialized under Mao. Without Mao, there certainly would have been someone else playing his historic role, but the important factor is that it was indeed Mao that led China to liberation and helped set in stone the modern prosperous China.
ALL life expectancies rose because pencillin was popularized and mass produced in the 1940s
