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They’re literally asses, but somehow still the obvious choice.
But on lemmy.ml, they told me voting for Democrats means you don’t care about trans people
Yup, cause letting Republicans win=trans victory!/s
it’s commentary on matthew mcconaughey’s statement.
I’d love it if people just voted, period.
Man that pissed me off. He said it right as early voting started. Choose third party because every side’s bad. How would you fucking know Matthew? This is Texas. There’s only been one side for 35 years. How the fuck would you know both sides are bad? Like I’m not saying he’s wrong necessarily I just don’t think he has that information.
And if you’re going to sit there and blather about voting third party pick a fucking third party. Which third party Matthew McConaughey? Who you backing? Are you saying vote libertarian? You picking up the green party? I don’t even remember seeing them on the ballot. Pick a candidate you bongo playing lunatic. Fucking coward.
It’s not about “which third party”, that doesn’t matter. You can change that per issue (I do).
You don’t vote third party to win, that would be stupid. You won’t win.
You vote third party to put pressure on the major parties to change their platform, you’re working from within the system to change the system. It’s a “protest vote”… and major parties want those votes.
Third party issues become major party issues with enough voter support.
For example, weed legalization was Libertarian, Green, and Socialist party cause since the 1970s, working with NORMAL (National Organization for the Reform of Marijuana Laws). Over the years, the grass roots (get it?) support grew and grew, even though the major parties were dead set against it.
Those third parties affected change on that issue in many states, and it continues. All thanks to third parties.
Most of their success is locally, not federally, which is in my opinion a lost cause, but again it’s not about the party, it’s about the issues.
Then why doesn’t he do that? What’s his issue? Which party this time? You see my point? He’s not picking a third party. Because frankly there’s not one. Not in Texas. Not this year.
There’s not an issue he’s backing. There’s not a candidate he’s backing. There’s not a change he’s trying to force. After all it’s Texas the change would be not Republican. 35 years of the same party controlling the state top to bottom if you want change you’d want that to change. But that’s not what he wants. He’s not trying to get you to vote for third party. He’s trying to get you to not vote Democrat. Him and his friend Greg Abbott don’t want that.
By the way just as an aside, the Texas green party is a fucking travesty. They are simply the worst. They don’t stand for anything anymore. In my local elections the best environmentally conscious candidate by a mile wouldn’t even run under their ticket because was so disgusted with them.
Republicans can vote third party all day long. You will hear no complaints from me. If you are a Republican, please vote third party if you can’t vote for anyone else.
Or just stay home. Consider not voting if you are a republican.
lemmy when you talk about killing politicians 👌
lemmy when you mention third parties 😤
We need to dismantle a large portion of the primary parties to make third parties viable.
Or you could… vote in the primaries?
The US has a convoluted run-off system that really should be simplified, but you can vote to select which of the two finalists will stand in the general election. Of course it falls apart for MAGA and leftist types (basically the same kind of people) that think if the majority of people voted for someone they don’t like it must be because the system is somehow rigged.
Everyone in my social media bubble thinks the same way so there’s no way people voted for someone who’s not MAGA/communist! The system must be rigged!
In most states, primaries are how a party picks its own nominee. Voting in the Democratic or Republican primary chooses which Democrat or Republican is on the November ballot. It doesn’t help a third party at all. Many third parties don’t use state-run primaries; they nominate at conventions. And in closed-primary states, like Maryland, you can only vote in the primary of the party you’re registered with.
The bigger hurdles come before and after the primary. First, a third party has to get on the ballot. That usually means collecting petition signatures or meeting a vote or registration threshold, and the rules differ by state. Then the candidate has to win a plurality in the general election, where the spoiler dynamic pushes voters back toward the two major parties. Primaries don’t change either of those.
Some primary systems make it worse. California and Washington use “top-two” primaries, where only the two highest finishers advance regardless of party. Third-party candidates almost never place top two, so they’re usually absent from the November ballot entirely.
The system is wired against third parties. They have to work significantly harder just to be eligible to be voted for.
That’s why you can’t “Just vote in the primaries”
In most states, primaries are how a party picks its own nominee.
Uh yeah? Pick one of the two the parties that’s closest to your views and vote in the primary to pull them closer. Be prepared for the possibility that other people in that party might not quite agree with you. That’s just how it goes in a democracy.
Being butt-hurt over people having different views from yours and therefore voting differently than you’d like is a property common to MAGAs and leftists. Maybe the majority of people will never agree with you. It’s up to you to convince people of your views. If you can’t do that, you have to accept that either you’re not good at convincing others, or it might even be possible that you’re wrong about some things. Either way democracy isn’t about you getting your way every time.
Voting third party in a system that doesn’t allow third parties (but does allow you to vote for the leader of one of the two parties) or being “uncommitted” is just immature. Throwing a temper tantrum ovet the majority of people not agreeing with you so wanting to spoil everything for everyone.
Tbf you can only talk about killing republicans, democrats can do no wrong.
Now remember to go vote in the primaries even though the DNC won a court case on the basis of “we’re a private corporation and therefore do not have an obligation to provide a fair process to voters, we can act in the interest of the Party Leaders™ instead,” that’ll help!
(Wilding, et. al. v. DNC Services, d/b/a DNC and Deborah “Debbie” Wasserman Schultz)
E: haha don’t downvote the messenger, it’s your precious DNC that did it, go downvote them! Oh you can’t because “vote blue no matter who” huh? How’s that working out?
Here we have a person who has been completely subsumed by talking points. Their brain replaced by propaganda, no longer capable of original thought. Doomed to repeat “Haha I’m right and you can’t stand it!” until they die of smug ignorance.
A literal court case affirming that the DNC isn’t obligated to respect the will of its voters is “just” a “talking point” or “propaganda?”
Methinks your catchy little slogan “vote blue no matter who” is actually the propaganda/talking point, pot meet kettle.
Which of the two major parties stands against capitalism again?
Oh is it time for “Both Sides” already? Forgot to mark my calendar
Sorry if reality offends you
If you have a path to change the system of governance, that could be worth pursuing. But voting isn’t a path to that - just a form of harm reduction within the system.
You still buy groceries - even though you may hate the process of handing over your net worth for something that helps sustain your life and want to change that.
Voting is still worth doing, but certainly not all one should do.
Which anti-capitalist third-party has even a 0.000001% chance of winning enough seats to be an impediment to Trump?
winning enough seats to be an impediment to Trump
Trump was already voted out once; and in the intervening four years the Democrats proved themselves to be incapable of impeding Trump.
How many boats of civilians did Binlden order to be sunk? How many heads of state did he kidnap or assassinate in wars of choice? How many American cities did he occupy with military units? How many of his political opponents did he have the justice department charge with baseless crimes? How many Nazis did he dine with?
The Dems piss me off, but saying the only reasons to say they’re no different than the Republicans are:
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Being a fucking idiot ;or
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Atremptingto prop up the GOP by convincing leftists not to vote against them.
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Neither, unfortunately, but we have a two-party system, and one side is openly fascist, so I would advise that anyone who doesn’t like fascism vote for the other non-fascist (arguably less-fascist) party.
I don’t like voting for the “lesser evil” and wish things were better, but voting for unviable candidates out of a sense of blind idealism is worse, because it empowers the most regressive movements to succeed.
We don’t currently live in a real democracy, but we have a chance to turn things around. If you decide to give up and let the fascists win, you’re one of the bad guys.
We need Ranked Choice Voting and Mixed Member Proportional districting to reduce the need for strategic voting.
Sure, that’s obvious to you and me, as seasoned internet users. But we can’t expect lawyers and career politicians to understand such things. They must be ignoring it by accident.
If the choice is fascist or less fascist then neither is worth voting for.
People will hold a vote to see if everyone gets punched in the face three times or once. Would you not vote for only one punch?
Honestly there’s more punchees than punchers, we can take them.
…because I don’t want anyone to get punched? Because I refuse to legitimize a system built on punching people?
Besides I never said anything about not voting.
