• CalypsoGirl@lemmy.today
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    I’d like to see a chart that explains which circumstances are suitable for using the word “female,” vs which circumstances are unsuitable tor using the word “female.” It might be an entertaining chart.

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      Fairly simple:

      Female as an adjective: acceptable, except when used unnecessarily to suggest their being female is an “other” category or otherwise seems irrelevant (e.g. “I went to the female podiatriast to get my ingrown toenail taken care of” or “I got cut off by a female driver on my way to work.”)

      Female as a noun: unacceptable, except in descriptive reports or scientific/medical references where the use of “female” can essentially be short for “female subject”, (e.g. “white female, five foot seven, blonde, with a tattoo on right forearm” or “the female of the species tends to be larger than the males…”)

      Basically, adjective: yes, when relevant

      Noun: no, unless your are specifically supposed to by policy or convention.

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    As I noted the previous time this was posted, that is a sail, not a flag. They are different things, and I can’t get past that.

    No problem with the overall joke, but it is a sail!

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    Men are male

    Women are female

    Whoever complicated things by somehow making a perfectly normal term offensive is a giant asshole

    P.S. but seriously, don’t just assume everyone using the word “female” and its derivatives is a jerk. People may not be aware of this odd shitstorm, and just use the word in its completely literal meaning, wishing no offence.

    P.P.S. I stand corrected by the commenter below who mentioned terms “male” and “female” are related to AGAB, not gender. In terms of trans individuals and those whose gender is unknown, it makes sense to avoid their misuse.

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      The issue as I understand it is that the words “male” and “female” are adjectives, and when they’re used as nouns it can sound dehumanizing.

      A vet or a farmer might talk about their livestock as “males and females,” but people referring to other people that way is not only incorrect usage, but it’s also only ever really used that way by men discussing women as if they’re sex objects.

      “A female therapist/doctor/lawyer/relative” = ✅👍

      “That female over there” = ❌👎

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        Yah I got schooled about the usage on a women’s page on Reddit a few years ago. Being a woman and female I didn’t know that I had been using the term female wrong for 40 years prior to that.

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          Yeah this place is a little better than reddit in terms of nuance and charitable interpretations, but we still have our share of toxic assholes who will deliberately misconstrue anything you say so they can shame you and put you down just to feel smug/superior.

          Sometimes it’s not easy to determine what to ignore and what to learn from, but yeah using “female” as a noun is definitely a big no-no these days, even offline.

          And honestly, increasingly I’ve started to notice it expanding to include using the term correctly as an adjective, which is annoying, but I’ve had to adjust my language accordingly. Now I say things like “a woman doctor” even though it’s incorrect and sounds awkward, because I’m afraid to say “a female doctor,” lest I be shunned.

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        It’s both an adjective and a noun. Most English adjectives can be used as a noun in a pinch, but the connotation may be dodgy.

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        Yeah, I see. I did get called out for using it as an adjective, though, which seemed particularly weird.

        Generally, my rule of thumb is: if you can say “male” and it isn’t wrong/weird, you should be able to say “female” to the same effect. But practice shows it isn’t true.

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          I think the issue is evolving a bit as people develop a knee-jerk reaction to hearing “female” and snap to the conclusion “🚩🚩🚩”

          It’s a bit annoying and anti-nuance, but what can you do? I’ve started self-censoring by using “woman” as an adjective instead, even though it’s a noun and sounds awkward as an adjective, i.e. “A woman doctor,” “a woman therapist,” “a woman lawyer,” “a woman relative,” etc.

          It sounds awkward because it’s incorrect, and that would be the correct way to use the word “female,” but I get super paranoid about that kind of stuff and overthink it because I’ve been shunned and flamed about stupid BS like that before and it isn’t pleasant, especially as someone politically progressive who happens to be a cishetero-passing white male, so it’s like everything I say is constantly under a microscope. And like, I believe in egalitarianism, but stuff like that could get me labeled as a misogynist in a heartbeat. So I try to be aware of it, even if it leaves me tongue-tied at times when I don’t know what fucking words are still okay to use, and I overthink how to phrase something precisely the right way so that nobody accuses me of malice…

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            someone politically progressive who happens to be a cishetero-passing white male, so it’s like everything I say is constantly under a microscope

            Y E S.

            An extremely toxic angle to a lot of progressives and especially the discriminated folks is automatically assuming everything to be evil once it comes out of cishet male’s mouth. Like, I get it, quite some people actually are discriminatory, but verifying the person’s intent before lashing out shouldn’t be too hard. Many, many times the person really didn’t mean anything bad.

            Sometimes I genuinely wonder how much this toxicity contributes to the development of reactionary right-wing types, and the way they portray the left and progressives as a screaming crowd in search of another scapegoat.

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      Oh hey, open transphobia during the era of woke 2.0.

      So no, men (gender) are not all male (sex);

      and women (gender) are not all female (sex).

      It’s not just offensive because you are reducing someone to their presumed reproductive parts; it is offensive because you are assuming their reproductive parts and stripping the humanity away from the person you’re describing.

      Female is an adjective in dictionaries that are prescriptive (aka dictionaries that list actual definition instead of just how it is used in modern slang dialects), and it only makes sense as an adjective. It describes the sexual characteristics of a thing. You can have a female aardvark, you can have a female dog, you can have a female robot (arguably android or gynoid depending on how ridiculous you might be); and you can have a female human. But a female human isn’t a woman, or vice versa. Women can be female humans, and sometimes they’re not.

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        Alright, as a non-native English speaker, I missed the part about “male” and “female” being strictly about AGAB.

        The more I know!

        (And no, I’m not a transphobe. If anything, this comes as an illustration that people may be less knowledgeable, not more evil)

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      I feel like the only time I referred to males and female were regarding things like census designations, medical terminology.

      Outside of that it’s bros and bitches.

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    We’re all just a brain. The only thing we have in common is that we had no choice in our existence, the vessel we’d occupy for it, and where that vessel would geographically and socially land.

    If you look into it any further than that, you’re a fuckwit.

    Be who you are and don’t change who you are for anyone else’s ideas. Nature gave you an incalculable chance to see it for a brief moment before your bits go back to BAU.

    Don’t waste it worrying about what fuckwits think.